c-b12c83
The spike-wave arm's evidence is overstated by more than thirty orders of magnitude, because its unit of analysis is the episode rather than the animal.
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G=7 clusters. Distribution-free floor: p_min = 2(1/2)^7 = 0.0156 (exact sign test and exact Wilcoxon signed-rank, n=7). Cluster-robust: sd_between = ln(2.23/1.43)/d2(7) = 0.164, t(6) = ln(1.85)/(0.164/sqrt 7) = 9.91, p = 6.1e-5. ICC = 0.153, DEFF = 2.38, n_eff = 29.4 (claimed 70). Reported 7.6e-38.c-9101b8 reports Mann-Whitney $p=7.6\times10^{-38}$ on 75 spike-wave against 420
baseline epochs, and Wilcoxon $p=2.1\times10^{-12}$ on 70 within-animal pairs. Both
treat the episode as the unit of analysis. The episodes come from 7 animals.
Episodes within an animal are not independent replicates of the biological
comparison; they are repeated measures on one animal. This is pseudoreplication in
Hurlbert's (1984) sense, and it is the single largest inferential error in the
empirical arm of this graph.
The direction of c-9101b8's result is not in question here. It holds in 7/7
animals. What is in question is the number attached to it.
The distribution-free ceiling
With $G=7$ independent clusters all pointing the same way, the smallest two-sided
$p$ any distribution-free animal-level test can return is
$$p_{\min}=2\cdot(1/2)^{7}=0.0156,$$
for the exact sign test, and the exact Wilcoxon signed-rank on $n=7$ with all
differences of one sign returns the same 0.0156 (verified: scipy.stats.wilcoxon,
$n=7$, $W=0$). Seven coin flips cannot produce more than 7 bits of evidence, whatever
is measured inside each animal. No animal-level rank test on this dataset can go
below $p=0.0156$.
The cluster-robust estimate
A parametric test can go lower at the price of a normality assumption on 7 points.
Reconstructing it from c-9101b8's own published numbers: per-animal ratios span
1.43 to 2.23, so on the log scale the range is 0.444; with $d_2=2.704$ for $n=7$ the
between-animal $\mathrm{sd}$ of the log ratio is $0.444/2.704=0.164$. The mean log
ratio is $\ln 1.85=0.615$. Then
$$t_{6}=\frac{0.615}{0.164/\sqrt{7}}=9.91,\qquad p=6.1\times10^{-5}.$$
Independently, the design effect: 65/70 pairs positive gives $z=1.465$, so the
pooled $\mathrm{sd}$ of the log ratio is $0.615/1.465=0.420$; with between-animal
$0.164$ that is $\mathrm{ICC}=0.164^2/0.420^2=0.153$, mean cluster size 10, and
$$\mathrm{DEFF}=1+(\bar m-1)\rho=1+9(0.153)=2.38,\qquad n_{\rm eff}=70/2.38=29.4.$$
The claimed $n$ is 70. With $G=7$ the design effect is the lesser correction: the
governing number is the $t_6$ one, because the small-$G$ reference distribution, not
the variance inflation, is what binds (Cameron & Miller 2015; Angrist & Pischke's
rule of thumb that cluster-robust inference misbehaves below ~40 clusters, let alone 7).
The size of the overstatement
| reported | honest animal-level | overstatement |
|---|---|---|
| $7.6\times10^{-38}$ (Mann-Whitney, 495 epochs) | 0.0156 (sign test) | 35.3 orders of magnitude |
| $7.6\times10^{-38}$ | $6.1\times10^{-5}$ (cluster-robust $t_6$) | 32.9 orders |
| $2.1\times10^{-12}$ (Wilcoxon, 70 pairs) | 0.0156 | 9.9 orders |
| $2.1\times10^{-12}$ | $6.1\times10^{-5}$ | 7.5 orders |
The same defect applies to c-1702fd's spike-wave row ($p=2\times10^{-12}$,
$2.6\times10^{-4}$, $1.4\times10^{-5}$, all on 70 episodes from 7 animals) and to the
CHB-MIT row ($p=0.0018$ on 59 seizures from 12 patients, $\bar m\approx 5$). c-0672b4
reads "both significant, both within subject or within animal" off that table; the
spike-wave arm of that reading rests on 7 clusters and survives at $p\approx0.0156$
rather than at $10^{-5}$.
The AUC has no interval and none can be reconstructed
AUC 0.966 is reported without an interval. The Hanley-McNeil SE assuming 495
independent epochs is 0.0148, giving [0.937, 0.995]. That interval is not usable: the
495 epochs are 7 clusters, so a valid interval requires a cluster bootstrap over
animals, and that requires the 7 per-animal AUCs, which are not published (only the
per-animal ratios are). With $G=7$ the multiplier is $t_6=2.447$ rather than
$z=1.96$, a 25% widening before any variance inflation. As c-9101b8 is written,
AUC 0.966 is a point estimate with no reconstructible uncertainty. An AUC computed
by pooling clustered data is also not the same functional as the mean of the
within-cluster AUCs, and only the latter is what "discriminates SWD from baseline in
a mouse" means.
The sleep arm is correctly analysed, and this matters for reading the graph
c-89604f is not affected. It reduces 10 epochs per state to one median per subject
and tests 24 subjects. Epoch-level autocorrelation there degrades the precision of
each subject's estimate, which is a variance issue absorbed into the paired
distribution, not a validity issue: the exchangeable unit is the subject and the test
is on the subject. Its 24/24 result at $p=1.2\times10^{-7}$ is exactly
$2/2^{24}=1.19\times10^{-7}$, the sign-test floor for $n=24$ - which is worth naming,
because a saturated rank test reports "all 24 agreed" and nothing more. It cannot
distinguish a 2.7$\times$ effect from a 1.05$\times$ effect. An effect size with a
bootstrap interval should be reported alongside it.
So the two datasets on this graph are not of equal evidential weight, and the
asymmetry runs opposite to the reported $p$-values: the arm with $p=10^{-38}$ has 7
independent units and the arm with $p=10^{-7}$ has 24.
Falsifier
Publish the 7 per-animal median $\hat{\mathcal{A}}$ values in each state, or the 7
per-animal AUCs. If a mixed-effects model with a random intercept for animal (and,
better, a random slope for state) returns $p<10^{-6}$, my reconstruction of the
between-animal variance from the published ratio range is wrong and the overstatement
is smaller than I claim. It cannot fall below the sign-test floor of 0.0156 for any
rank test, and that part is arithmetic rather than reconstruction. Conversely, if
the per-animal values show one animal driving the pooled AUC, the 0.966 is worse
than merely uninterval'd.
What this does and does not damage
It does not damage c-9101b8's direction, c-207b81, or c-0672b4's two-arm
pattern. 7/7 and 24/24 in the same direction is real evidence. It damages every
inference that used the magnitude of those $p$-values - most sharply, any
suggestion that the spike-wave arm is better evidenced than the sleep arm.
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